Curse

Avarre · Apr 12, 2006, 12:23 PM // 12:23

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Arcane echo storm storm surge burn + smite hex on a warrior if i'm in a hex heavy area spelled destruction to basically everything I was fighting.

Regardless of AoE capabilities, this build is horrible. You were trying to play your mesmer as a pure direct damage dealer, and then wonder why an ele serves better in that role?

I don't see why anyone with a strong character cares about energy storage in PvE (unless they use the skills involving it), all characters should be balanced to be completely sufficient energy wise. When your energy is low, your primary attribute becomes aboslutely nothing, you regen just the same. Dropping ES completely for energy management would take you a long way...

I think you just defeated yourself. Nothing more to add. Though I don't consider d4nowar to be trolling as he backs up his statements... even though said back-ups are nonsensical.

Lint · Apr 12, 2006, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Bloody Death

I deleted my monk because I was just basically tired of healing. Now, I wanna make an ele or mes, but I dont know which ones better. I like ele's because of all the things they can do, But I also have an interest in mesmers. What one is better for PvE?

Well i did the same thing, I was dead boared of my 55 monk, so i deleted him. I had the choice of ele or mes. I choice Elementalist. The reason why is bc a long time ago i thought of a build to solo SF. So when my elementalist gets to lvl 20 (currently lvl 9) i'll have the giulde up and running to explore the riches of SF

. Anad when i say solo SF, I mean allmost everything in SF, besides the forest, to big of an aggro with the spike traps....

jackie · Apr 12, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

All Professions in Guild Wars are beautiful and deadly when they are used by skilled player.

If you have heard of All-Profession Events like All-Mesmer etc., you know it. After AoE update so many have turned away from Eles but I've kept mine and it is still very very versatile & effective class. Ele propably has the most combos in the game ranging from tank to nuker. Only imagination is limit there.

To give an example of mesmers powers, she/he can solo Glint with henchies for example very easily.

Both professions are very good and fun to play and the discrimination what goes on in Guild Wars about Eles & Mesmers is nonsense and very ignorant talk.

boxterduke · Apr 12, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

To OP and anyone who says Mesmers run out of energy when nuking:
Use this and let me know if you run out, if you use it correctly then you will never run out.
I added Incendiary Bonds instead of rez and been playing with it and still no energy problems.

felinette · Apr 12, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by jackie

After AoE update so many have turned away from Eles but I've kept mine and it is still very very versatile & effective class. Ele propably has the most combos in the game ranging from tank to nuker. Only imagination is limit there.

I've got an ele on the go, and she rocks! I posted in another thread that she's one of the most powerful characters I've ever played. I wasn't around before they nerfed AoE so I never experienced an ele that could nuke enemies who didn't run. They must have been god-like.

The other night, my ele grouped to do The Wilds (I think it was The Wilds--the one where you have to save the Chosen from spiders at the end). The group turned out to be 1 monk, 1 necro, and 4 elementalists. My god, it made the mission easy.

I've played both a mesmer and an ele. They both rock in their own way. Choose whatever you think will be the most fun. Nothing else really matters.

Alleji · Apr 12, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Another useless person saying that Mesmers and Eles are useless in PvE.
HMMMM when were you when no one wanted Necros in their groups.
You are just one of the mainstream people that jump on current builds.

You think SS would kill a monk with Mark of Protection.

Think again.

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Mesmer. Eles are nearly useless in PvE, since SS single-handedly owns every ele nuke... and when was the last time you've seen a non-nuker ele in PvE?

Another useless person who clearly haven't learned punctuation in elementary school. Where have I said that they are useless?

Please take care to read what you're attempting to reply to and you'll have less chance of sounding like an idiot next time.

And yes, I think SS could solo a monk with MoP, provided the monk is clumped with a couple other things because:
a) Mark lasts 10 seconds and recharges in 45
b) The AI is too damn stupid to use it half the time

Empirism · Apr 12, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

what I think, why try to be a nuker with mesmer anyway?, why try to be a mesmer with ele? ok fast cast nuker had its own usage, but all classess are best when they go for their own skills, mesmer is mesmer, nuker is nuker. just my 2 cents...and both classess are definately not useless.

hf

Naxohs Seralna · Apr 12, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Call my mesmer useless when I shatter that mark of protection and you watch the mesmer mobs take 147 damage from backfire while they're spamming conjure phantasm and crippling anguish...

Slightly off topic: Ascending my Me/N was the funniest thing ever...
Step one: Cast Backfire on dopple
Step two: Watch dopple use the necro sacrifise spells you put on your skill bar.

(Time it takes to cast backfire with fast casting) + (a few quick necro sac spells) = a quick ascension & fun for the whole family

IMO, make a mesmer.

Cherno · Apr 12, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Another useless person who clearly hasn't learned punctuation in elementary school. Where have I said that they are useless?

This really isn't the tactic you want to take is it? BTW, fixed your error in grammar there.

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Please take care to read what you're attempting to reply to and you'll have less chance of sounding like an idiot next time.

And yes, I think SS could solo a monk with MoP, provided the monk is clumped with a couple other things because:
a) Mark lasts 10 seconds and recharges in 45
b) The AI is too damn stupid to use it half the time

This is the problem with SS, the conditional "if things are clumped." SS is very good, no doubt, but loses much effectiveness when you don't have a clump. Eles don't have that problem (not every nuker is a echo meteor you know.) An SS build tends to revolve around that one skill, and eles have the variety in their build to take on nicely grouped mobs, or single targets depending on situation. Tell me you can kill that creature that is chasing the monk around and not attacking with SS.

I am not going to say (unlike you) that eles can always outdamge an SS necro, because there are situations when they can't, and more situations when they can.

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 12, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Chanbara

I see a lot of your points... too bad both ele and mes armor sucks though.
Mesmers could really use good armor too.

Mesmers and Ele's have 60 Armor, the same as Monk and Necro(excluding Tormentor's etc). Their armor is less than Warrior's and Ranger's true, but it doesn't suck like everyone says it does. Try out Rogue's armor and Noble's/Virtuoso for Mesmer if you're in need of extra armor. Mesmers and Eles, just like Monks and Necros, aren't even intended to be taking excessive hits anyway, so armor shouldn't be a complaint against caster-types. So armor rating shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Mavrik · Apr 12, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

only complication with rogue armor is the fact that sure it has a lot of energy regain but overall has low energy. I play a Mesmer/Ele myself and have a lot of fun with that build.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Apr 12, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

*shakes head at his class, goes to find a post less flame filled*

Theos · Apr 12, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Again with this over glorification of mesmers, my god. People have their opinions and again a soon as one bad thing is said about mesmers, a THRONG of people flok like morons to argue and start another war.

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Originally Posted by rayne2550

D4nowar, you might as well give your "argument" a rest. It's based on a biased opinion, not facts. The facts easily show that Mesmers are invaluable in PvE, and nothing will prove otherwise.

Opinion, purely opinion. I agree that we are useful but not invaluable. Wrong word choice, invaluable means we make or break a team everytime, which is not true. No single profession is invaluable, as that would be stupid and all you would see is that one profession.

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Originally Posted by rayne2550

Sure, it's possible to efficiently complete a quest or mission without a Mesmer, but having one in your party can only speed up the process. If there's an annoying Shadow Warrior chasing in on your Monk, put Ineptitude, Clumsiness and Empathy on it, and watch half of his health instantly disappear. You can't do that damage with an Elementalist, they don't ignore armor. If it's a Priest of Sorrow that you're having difficulty killing, slap it with Arcane Conundrum and use Power Leak, Power Spike, or CoF. The point is that a skilled Mesmer will save your butt in spots that would otherwise be difficult.

An elementalist can more effectively shut down multiple warriors, a mesmer can destroy one. Which is more valuable? The correct answer, neither. Both are equal. A mesmer can blow up one warrior, sure. An ele can condition five and create a literal circle of protection. An ele CAN easily deal the same damage (Obsidian anyone?) but they suffer for it. Then again so does a mesmer when it blows up half its energy on one target.

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Originally Posted by rayne2550

It's pathetic and extremely redundant that every thread with the word "Mesmer" in it eventually turns into an argument about whether or not they are useful in PvE. The ones who argue and say they are not are close-minded, and unwilling to think outside the cookie-cutter builds such as Nuker, SS, MM, Healer, and Boon Prot. So those who don't enjoy playing the class need to keep their comments to themselves.

You are partly guilty of turning this into an argument, this could have died on Page one but no. It just goes on and on as if someone came up to you with a gun and said "Mesmers suck, believe it or die!" No one did this, one person saying "That is your opinion, one that we don't have to agree with" would have been enough, there are countless threads with this argument recurring over and over, and here it is again.

Oddly were you not the one who wanted these stopped :P

CKaz · Apr 12, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

To the OPs post my answer is simple -
PvE I'd probably go Ele, you have time for spells, fast cast usually isnt as critical, meanwhile I'd rather have the big bang
PvP I'd probably go Mes, the fast cast and lineup are quite powerful and flexible, mes spike more than eles lately lol

Evilsod · Apr 12, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

PvE Eles are much more needed. I see 'LF Mesmer to xx' about once every week in ToA. Even though nuking is utterly useless, lvl16 fire lvl13 ES with a couple of of spells + meteor shower still lays waste to a group of enemies.

Its just some groups dont seem to understand that rather than trying to blast through the superhealers defences you can simply bring as mesmer along and screw them over something bad

Seriously i go mesmer > ele anytime i get the opportunity. Shatter Hex is a nice damage dealer and WW + Empathy + Power Block = Dead Priest of Menzies solo style (and WW = dead wurm anyday

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Lord Iowerth · Apr 12, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Here, i'll make it easy for you. An Ele and a Mesmer are fighting a warrior ...

An Elementalist says: "OMG I just hit you for like, 100 damage!"

A Mesmer says: "Why are you hitting yourself?"

Now be honest ... which one sounds like more fun? Ok, I thought so

draxynnic · Apr 13, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

To OP and anyone who says Mesmers run out of energy when nuking:
Use this and let me know if you run out, if you use it correctly then you will never run out.
I added Incendiary Bonds instead of rez and been playing with it and still no energy problems.

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Nice build. I might have to give it a try sometime - I'll just have to check which slot I put my Inspiration rune. If you use it the way I imagine you use it, you'd still be getting about 10 exhaustion a minute*, but that's not a serious issue (as opposed to, say, trying to spam Chain Lightning

).

(Tried an ele during the preview event. Casting time is just sooo slooooow...)

EDIT: Just ran an independant test of the build, and it works as advertised, even without the equipment boxterduke appeared to be using. In fact, you're more likely to run into problems related to waiting for recharge than waiting for energy with the build, especially without the Inciendary Bonds...

tuperwho · Apr 13, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Easy decision. Mesmers have the best /dance emotes in the game!

That should be enough, but if not, mesmers are just simply great. You can fill many roles, and it really lends to a better understanding of the game. You learn the many ways to counter certain enemies/skills, and how multiple roles can accomplish the same goal. Granted, you prob. won't get much respect, as others won't see you draining energy, interupting multiple targets, throwing down good amounts of damage... heck, they prob. won't even notice when you remove hexes if you don't call it. But you will always have the satisfaction of how much butt you kicked and everything you did.

Don't get me wrong, I loved my elementalist. But it's no comparison to the fun of a mesmer. There's just something about throwing down the gauntlet and then repeating to yourself "stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself", as your enemies minds melt. You can just simply dominate the baddies